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  #1  
Old Dec 9, 2009, 01:17 PM
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Liston
 
26 posts · Oct 2009
Scotland
I was looking at Artisteer and it offers the option to exort the style into different CMS themes. How realistic would it be in the future for Themeframe to offer something similar, or is it heavly tied into Wordpress. I have no idea about these things, but would find it interesting to find out, as I use Drupal a bit too, and may be migrating sites from WP to DP for their OS shop.

Thanks

Edit: I found this -

Convert a Word Press theme to Drupal
Submitted by paddy_deburca on Thu, 2007-11-15 10:47
themes

The example WP theme I am trying to use is sodelicious_black.
page.tpl.php

Combine header.php, page.php and footer.php into on new file called page.tpl.php. In this new page.tpl.php file:

* Replace your DOCTYPE and HTML lines with
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
* Replace the TITLE with
<title><?php print $head_title ?></title>
* Replace the links to style sheets, RSS news feeds and the such with
<?php print $head ?> <?php print $styles ?> <?php print $scripts ?>
* Clean up the page.tpl.php by removing the obsolete calls to get_header() and get_footer()
* Replace echo get_settings("home") with print base_path()
* Replace bloginfo("name") with print $site_slogan ? $site_slogan : $site_name
* Drupal uses syntax such as
<?php if (isset($primary_links)) {
print theme("links", $primary_links, array("class" => "navmenu primary-links"));
} ?>
<?php if (isset($secondary_links)) {
print theme("links", $secondary_links, array("class" => "navmenu secondary-links"));
} ?>

for navigation, so replace the navigation block with this code
* At the beginning of the main content block, Drupal customarily has a bunch of information such as
<div class="post-main">
<?php if ($breadcrumb) { print $breadcrumb; } ?>
<?php if ($mission) { print "<div id='mission'>". $mission ."</div>"; } ?>
<?php if ($tabs) { print "<div id='tabs-wrapper' class='clear-block'>"; } ?>
<?php if ($title) { print "<h2". ($tabs ? " class='with-tabs'" : "") .">". $title ."</h2>"; } ?>
<?php if ($tabs) { print $tabs ."</div>"; } ?>
<?php if (isset($tabs2)) { print $tabs2; } ?>
<?php if ($help) { print $help; } ?>
<?php if ($show_messages && $messages) { print $messages; } ?>
</div>
<?php print $content; ?>
* The Search blocks are created by Drupal, so remove any code builds a search block – just remember where it was located (top, left, centre, right, footer regions)
* Replace get_sidebar(); with print $sidebar_left . $sidebar_right;
* The Recent Posts blocks are created by Drupal, so remove any code that builds a Recent Posts block – just remember where it was located
* Clean up the code and balance all your DIV‘s and SPAN‘s

node.tpl.php

The single.php will get trimmed to become the node template – node.tpl.php

* Start off by removing everything that is already in the page template – page.tpl.php – basically everything before and including the while (have_posts()) loop
* Replace the_ID() with print $node->nid;
* Replace permalink() with print $node_url;
* Replace the_title() with print $title;
* Replace the Author block with
<?php if ($submitted) { print "<span class='submitted'>" . $submitted . "</span>"; } ?>

* Replace the Category block with
<?php if ($taxonomy) { print "<div class='terms'>" . $terms . "</div>"; } ?>

* Replace the Comments block with
<?php if ($links) { print "<div class='post-tags'>" . $links . "</div>"; } ?>

* Add <?php print $picture ?> before the content to support user pictures
* Replace the_content("Read more"); with print $content;

comment.tpl.php

The comment.php will get trimmed to become the comment template – comment.tpl.php

* As before, start off by removing everything that is already in the page template – page.tpl.php – basically everything before and including the foreach ($comments) loop
* Replace comment_ID() with print $comment->cid;

Results

And there you should have an almost working Drupal theme closely relating the previous WP theme.

* Sodelicious homepage

* Sodelicious content

* Sodelicious edit

* Sodelicious gallery

* That’s all folks.

Last edited by Liston; Dec 9, 2009 at 01:19 PM.
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Old Dec 9, 2009, 01:36 PM
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paulae
 
1,320 posts · Feb 2009
Wordpress 3.4.1, Atahualpa 3.7.7
I'm hoping Flynn can eventually tweak Themeframe to create Wordpress MU themes as well.
  #3  
Old Dec 9, 2009, 01:47 PM
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Liston
 
26 posts · Oct 2009
Scotland
Fingers crossed that in the future it is developed down those lines. Obviously the focus is on a working Wordpress release, but there is a big market out there for a product such as this. Would be interesting to hear Flynn's views as to how he plans to develop Themeframe over the next year.

John
  #4  
Old Dec 10, 2009, 10:02 AM
bignall
 
9 posts · Dec 2009
I too would love to see Themeframe for Jooma or Drupal. It is looking incredible! And I am really struggling to find a good theme to use for one of my sites. Unfortunately, I need more than a blog for that site .
  #5  
Old Dec 10, 2009, 10:17 AM
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paulae
 
1,320 posts · Feb 2009
Wordpress 3.4.1, Atahualpa 3.7.7
Bignall, both WP and Atahaulpa work fine as a CMS. I use them for a complex news website: http://larchmontgazette.com. With widgets and plugins, you can do almost anything.
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Old Dec 10, 2009, 11:23 AM
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Liston
 
26 posts · Oct 2009
Scotland
I'll agree that WP can be used just fine as a CMS in my opinion. A lot easier to use I feel too.

Only reason Drupal is getting the nod over WP for my business site is for Ubercart. The WP ecommerce solutions just don't cut it. All my personal sites will remain firmly with WP.

Taking me a while to get my head around Drupal.
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Old Dec 10, 2009, 11:32 AM
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paulae
 
1,320 posts · Feb 2009
Wordpress 3.4.1, Atahualpa 3.7.7
I looked at Drupal a while back, but for my own sites and for clients, I thought it was just too complicated to learn. Unless you have an IT department handy, Drupal is known for being very tough to work with in the backend.

Not that WP is so easy! Like anything, the more complex the tasks I'm asking WP to do, the more difficult it is to manage all the possible options and conflicts. But it's fun, so that helps.
  #8  
Old Dec 10, 2009, 02:37 PM
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Flynn
 
3,730 posts · Oct 2008
Munich, Germany
The way ThemeFrame is set up now (as standalone application) it is basically prepared to do that. If I am able to add any other CMS in the near future (which means in a couple months) it would be Drupal or a Ecommerce platform.
  #9  
Old Dec 11, 2009, 12:27 AM
DavePorter
 
133 posts · Mar 2009
Perth, Western Australia
Thanks Flynn, that is great news....
Dave Porter

Quote:
Originally Posted by Flynn
The way ThemeFrame is set up now (as standalone application) it is basically prepared to do that. If I am able to add any other CMS in the near future (which means in a couple months) it would be Drupal or a Ecommerce platform.
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Old Dec 14, 2009, 06:05 PM
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jack96161
 
66 posts · May 2009
Dec. 10th, Flynn said:
Quote:
If I am able to add any other CMS in the near future (which means in a couple months) it would be Drupal or a Ecommerce platform.
May I remind him that on Feb. 21st, he commented:
Quote:
I am thinking about developing E-commerce themes and if I do I'll probably look into Prestashop, if they keep growing and keep their momentum.
Ahhh... no pressure, but I for one intend to remember both those statements! From the initial investigation I've made, Prestashop does have lots going for it. Now, if a future ThemeFrame could generate matching templates for both Wordpress and Prestashop -- THAT would be a killer ap!

Jack
  #11  
Old Dec 14, 2009, 07:52 PM
bignall
 
9 posts · Dec 2009
Quote:
Originally Posted by paulae
Bignall, both WP and Atahaulpa work fine as a CMS. I use them for a complex news website: http://larchmontgazette.com. With widgets and plugins, you can do almost anything.
Wow, thanks, that's a great site. Could you let me know what some of the plugins are that you are using? Especially the Upcoming events, and how you are doing the list of articles on the pages with images at the top. I've been trying Category page, but still struggling with it.

Thanks!
  #12  
Old Dec 20, 2009, 09:53 AM
JDiedrick
 
2 posts · Nov 2009
Minnesota
Quote:
Originally Posted by paulae
Bignall, both WP and Atahaulpa work fine as a CMS. I use them for a complex news website: http://larchmontgazette.com. With widgets and plugins, you can do almost anything.
I just was looking at your website and it looks just terrific! I am a beginner in all of this but I have a question for you. How did you setup the pages as categories?

You have pages listed as "Dine and Wine" and "Garden Guide" etc, that seem to be categories. I would like to turn the categories in my site into pages on top of the main page.

Any thoughts?
  #13  
Old Dec 20, 2009, 10:25 AM
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paulae
 
1,320 posts · Feb 2009
Wordpress 3.4.1, Atahualpa 3.7.7
No, those are categories, not pages. You can put the categories up in the header area just like pages. Find it in Atahualpa Options, Style and Edit Header Area.

I have mine like this:
Code:
%image  <?php bfa_widget_area('name=top760_ad'); ?> %pages %cats %bar2
The top760_ad is a new widget area which holds the wide ads.

Your site is looking good too!

Last edited by paulae; Dec 20, 2009 at 10:49 AM.
  #14  
Old Dec 20, 2009, 01:47 PM
JDiedrick
 
2 posts · Nov 2009
Minnesota
Thanks for your help paulae, it worked like a charm!

Jim

Last edited by JDiedrick; Dec 20, 2009 at 01:50 PM.
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Old Dec 20, 2009, 02:43 PM
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paulae
 
1,320 posts · Feb 2009
Wordpress 3.4.1, Atahualpa 3.7.7
Glad it worked for you, Diedrick.

Bignall, I just switched to the Calendar plugin by Kieran O'Shea, and the big calendar shows on my Calendar page. It comes with an upcoming events widget and a today's happenings widget. I put those in an inner sidebar.

To get the images at the tops of category pages, like News, Career Doctor, Dine and Wine, I made new widget areas for them, put in text widgets calling the images, and then put the new widget code in the Atahualpa Theme OPtions/Style and Edit Center Column, Content Above the Loop.

Oh, and I used Widget Logic on each widget to tell it to appear only on those category pages. For instance, Dine and Wine's Widget Logic is:
Code:
is_category(103)
.

You could also create custom templates for those categories and insert the images that way. That is probably less work than what I did, but I'm fascinated by creating new widget areas and finding cool ways to use them. I know, I know: I'm easily amused!
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Old Dec 20, 2009, 03:56 PM
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9,396 posts · Jul 2009
Central New York State USA
Paula... You just mentioned the Calendar plugin by Kieran O'Shea which looks good but have you tried Events Calendar by snumb130, heirem, and laplix? I'm going to "test" them both but thought I would ask for input since you have used at least one of them.
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Old Dec 20, 2009, 08:16 PM
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paulae
 
1,320 posts · Feb 2009
Wordpress 3.4.1, Atahualpa 3.7.7
Every time I've tried Events Calendar, it makes my admin stop working. Can't drag and drop widgets, nothing saves. I really like it better than the other one, except for that one tiny problem! Must be some kind of jquery issue, but I don't understand enough about that to fix it.
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Old Dec 20, 2009, 09:09 PM
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9,396 posts · Jul 2009
Central New York State USA
I got the same issues. Thanks for the corroboration.
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Old Dec 29, 2009, 03:12 PM
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paulae
 
1,320 posts · Feb 2009
Wordpress 3.4.1, Atahualpa 3.7.7
No problem. I wish it worked with the other stuff I'm using. But at least, with Juggledad's help, I've got the Kieran O'Shea calendar working and looking OK.
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Old Jan 28, 2010, 06:30 PM
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adum
 
85 posts · Jun 2009
I would love to see Themeframe be able to produce Joomla themes...it's supposed to be a great CMS but I am afraid to invest a lot of time into it without being able to produce a great theme.
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Old Jan 28, 2010, 06:40 PM
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9,396 posts · Jul 2009
Central New York State USA
Well adum... I USED to use Joomla but have since moved to WordPress for all the sites I build. For me the advantages of using WordPress far outweighed the "perceived" advantages of Joomla. I still maintain a few sites in Joomla and more in WordPress and I always cringe a bit when going to the Joomla sites as they are quite a bit more convoluted. With the help of many different plugins and the constant improvement to the WordPress core and can't see going back to Joomla.

Bottom line I would say WordPress is a great CMS. Just go to the "Showing Off" forum and take a look as some of the sites people have built with Atahualpa.
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Old Jan 28, 2010, 09:02 PM
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adum
 
85 posts · Jun 2009
Hey lmilesw,

I love WordPress too and have gotten pretty good at using Atahualpa. I am very satisfied with how my sites have turned out visually, I've just heard Joomla is better for things like ecommerce and community/membership type sites.

I do really like how big Wordpress is getting though...it only means it will keep getting better and better.

Either way I would still like to see Joomla support so I have more reason to play around with it.

-Adam
  #23  
Old Feb 3, 2010, 01:59 PM
victorm
 
11 posts · Feb 2010
most of the projects I am working for migrated over time to WordPress. it might sound silly, but I found managing the security holes of a single script a lot easier, as much as imposing the same programing standards to different coders employed to do this or that bit.
another interesting thing, especially if you run a large site, is the multiple ways in which you can tweak the performance of a WP-powered website. we currently use small VPS servers with nginx frontend and Doncha's cache - Atahualpa is a great theme for high load websites in this config.
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Old May 20, 2010, 02:56 PM
alfie
 
74 posts · Apr 2010
Long Island NY
I arrived at Wordpress and Atahualpa from a direction that seems to be different from anyone I have yet to see forum posts from. My background has been with C, C++ and Visual Basic. These languages allowed me to have considerable control over implementation with little dependence on forum advice.

I first attempted to use Dreamweaver which is a WYSIWYG tool similiar to Visual Basic. What was missing was the Content Management System (CMS) which has made Wordpress very popular. To save time I decided to try wordpress although I had never heard of php before. I did find a great deal of familiarity with php and C, C++ and Visual Basic. Now I hear of ThemeFrame and it sounds very similiar to Dreamweaver which I dropped because I didn't want to re-invent the wheel. Wordpress and then Atahuapa were to be a giant step to propel me closer to my destination (a CMS application)

It sounds as if ThemeFrame is very similiar to Dreamweaver which is a WYSIWYG drag and drop type of object oriented tool. Flynn if you are listening will you please comment.


Alfie
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Old May 20, 2010, 03:03 PM
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paulae
 
1,320 posts · Feb 2009
Wordpress 3.4.1, Atahualpa 3.7.7
I hope Flynn does respond too, but as a long-time Dreamweaver and Atahualpa user and recent Themeframe tester, I can add a few thoughts.

Themeframe is a WYSIWYG theme designer, something like Artisteer. It's unlike Dreamweaver, in that it doesn't manage a site's files.

Atahualpa has so much flexibility, you'll probably find it's enough for whatever you want to do, and if you can also work in PHP, so much the better. I use Wordpress and Atahualpa to manage a very busy news site, and the combination of them, with a lot of plugins and widgets, has worked very well as a CMS.

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