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Old Sep 17, 2010, 04:24 PM
erics_dad
 
4 posts · Sep 2010
UK
Pre-Sales Questions - Hope this is as good as it sounds :)

Hi all

I just signed up.

I'll explain what I'm after and hopefully Flynn or any of the mods(?) can answer if he's too busy.

1) I don't mean to start my Q's by mentioning a competitor but how does this compare with e.g. Artisteer?

2) Does TF come with either a) an Options page (ie functions.php) or b) (even better!) the ability to create an options page? If "no" to both, Flynn, you really ought to SERIOUSLY consider adding this functionality, even if it's just ** color picker for bg, ** color picker for text (a, a:visited, a:hover, etc.), load header, add resize images (timthumb.php), etc. etc. Please tell me TF has an options page that is modular and customizable

3) How flexible is it to add jquery javascripts, and add things like sliders, or add custom CSS to make hover effects, and so on....possible?

4) Can I create my own themes not only for myself, but to be able to sell as templates? Think WooThemes, et al. I'm currently developing my own themes in Photoshop and I was just going to tweak the TwentyTen theme (or similar GPL theme), add my own graphics, CSS styles, etc. but if TF can work like I think it can, it's even more powerful than Artisteer (which I own but don't care for much).

5) Does all the output code validate (xhtml/css) and I assume all is fully compatible with WP 3.0.*?

6) Is the beta test license still available for $80?

7) Are there ANY license restrictions I should know about if I want to create themes to sell? Is there a footer link for example or any problems with creating themes to sell?

I think that's about it for now. I'm sure more Q's will pop up later lol

From what I've seen, it's pretty awesome for developers. I think "newbies" not familiar with CSS etc. would struggle a little but so far it's right up my alley and I look forward to future updates.

I hope someone can answer my Q's asap!

Cheers all

Scott
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Old Sep 19, 2010, 02:09 AM
pjCheviot
 
2 posts · Sep 2010
NEUK
Would love to hear some feedback from this too.

Hope it's sooner - rather than later

Regards
pj
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Old Sep 20, 2010, 09:47 PM
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lmilesw
 
9,964 posts · Jul 2009
Central New York State USA
I am not intimately familiar with all the inner workings of TF but here is my attempt at answering your questions. I hope this helps.

1) How does TF compare with e.g. Artisteer? - They are both are for creating themes. To give you a break down of all the differences would not really give all the info you need to make a decision. I own Artisteer and would choose TF as it is less limiting and more flexible. The graphics that Artisteer provides are nice but they give all Artisteer themes a certain "feel". TF is like a blank canvas but allows those with less CSS experience to build a theme.

2) Does TF come with either a) an Options page (ie functions.php) or b) (even better!) the ability to create an options page? If "no" to both, Flynn, you really ought to SERIOUSLY consider adding this functionality, even if it's just ** color picker for bg, ** color picker for text (a, a:visited, a:hover, etc.), load header, add resize images (timthumb.php), etc. etc. Please tell me TF has an options page that is modular and customizable There is a blank functions.php area but no way to create an options page that I am aware of but I THINK that might be in the works.

3) How flexible is it to add jquery javascripts, and add things like sliders, or add custom CSS to make hover effects, and so on....possible? There is an area to add javascripts and CSS

4) Can I create my own themes not only for myself, but to be able to sell as templates? Think WooThemes, et al. I'm currently developing my own themes in Photoshop and I was just going to tweak the TwentyTen theme (or similar GPL theme), add my own graphics, CSS styles, etc. but if TF can work like I think it can, it's even more powerful than Artisteer (which I own but don't care for much). You can create and sell themes made with TF

5) Does all the output code validate (xhtml/css) and I assume all is fully compatible with WP 3.0.*? I haven't tested but it probably validates like most other sites and yes it is compatible with WP 3.0.* and has two menu areas.

6) Is the beta test license still available for $80? As of Sept 20, 2010... Yes

7) Are there ANY license restrictions I should know about if I want to create themes to sell? Is there a footer link for example or any problems with creating themes to sell? As mentioned before you can create themes to sell with footer content that you want.[/quote]
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Old Sep 21, 2010, 12:03 AM
pjCheviot
 
2 posts · Sep 2010
NEUK
Many thanks, Larry

That seems to answer any queries I had.

Kind regards
pj
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Old Sep 22, 2010, 10:00 PM
erics_dad
 
4 posts · Sep 2010
UK
Thank you Larry

I thought I had my User CP set to be notified of replies but I didn't get any. Glad I came back here to double-check

It sounds very interesting. Not sure what my hesitation is in donating/buying right now. Is there a "bugs" or an "update" thread that Flynn has posted to recently?

Also, does the software have an auto-update function so we know we have the latest build?

Thanks again

Scott
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Old Sep 22, 2010, 10:04 PM
erics_dad
 
4 posts · Sep 2010
UK
Sorry, forgot to ask.

Larry, would you be so kind as to show me (either publicly in this thread or by PM) any examples of themes created with TF?

I mean, fortunately I'm comfortable with CSS, html, photoshop and a small amount of php so as long as I truly have unlimited styling capabilities, then it shouldn't really matter but assuming one's skillset was solid, could one create themes like those at WooThemes or any other popular theme club?

I agree that Artisteer has "that certain look" (almost cheesy imo) and I don't want to feel like the themes I can create with TF would have that same appeal, if that makes sense. I really do want pretty much 100% capability to totally design whatever I want.

Hope that makes sense

Cheers

Scott
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Old Sep 23, 2010, 07:50 AM
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lmilesw
 
9,964 posts · Jul 2009
Central New York State USA
Scott,

I think once Themeframe gets in full swing you will see all sorts of examples and maybe someone will see this thread and post a link. My synopsis of Themeframe is that the flexibility Atahualpa gives to the end user Themeframe gives to the designer. Many times it's best to build a theme that the end user can't mess with and probably doesn't want to.

What I love about Themeframe is the real time feedback for look and feel. Here is a little video to give you example of changing the background height after applying a color in Themeframe.

Bottom line is that someone who knows there way around Atahualpa can do just about anything and the same holds true with Themeframe IMHO.
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Old Jan 18, 2011, 05:01 PM
pc29877
 
3 posts · Jan 2011
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Hi there,

I'm a new user, but have a fairly straight forward question. If I purchase the $80 license for the Beta, will that grant me access to the production product? I'm a newbie, so please forgive me if I'm not using the appropriate terminology. I'm just trying to figure out if I have to pay an additional fee after the beta testing is over.

And, TF is properly one of the better GUI's I've seen thus far. Awesome.

Thanks, Patrick
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Old Jan 18, 2011, 05:20 PM
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Old Jan 18, 2011, 06:21 PM
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Old Feb 3, 2011, 06:54 PM
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lmilesw
 
9,964 posts · Jul 2009
Central New York State USA
Some quick answers...

1. Hard to compare. Artisteer (which I own and have used for one site) has all the suggestions, images, etc. but it is not as flexible IMHO.

2. No options page as yet. I "THINK" there are plans to add though.

3. CSS can be added when creating the theme and there are plugins that can be used to add after installation if you don't want to mess with the theme files. There is a section to add javascripts. Of course you can always add plugins for some of the functionality you mentioned.

4. Yes you can create and sell themes.

5. It is WP 3.0 compatible. I haven't checked and am not too concerned about validation.

6. The Beta is still available at $80.

7. No license restrictions or footer credit needed.

Quote:
Originally Posted by erics_dad
Hi all

I just signed up.

I'll explain what I'm after and hopefully Flynn or any of the mods(?) can answer if he's too busy.

1) I don't mean to start my Q's by mentioning a competitor but how does this compare with e.g. Artisteer?

2) Does TF come with either a) an Options page (ie functions.php) or b) (even better!) the ability to create an options page? If "no" to both, Flynn, you really ought to SERIOUSLY consider adding this functionality, even if it's just ** color picker for bg, ** color picker for text (a, a:visited, a:hover, etc.), load header, add resize images (timthumb.php), etc. etc. Please tell me TF has an options page that is modular and customizable

3) How flexible is it to add jquery javascripts, and add things like sliders, or add custom CSS to make hover effects, and so on....possible?

4) Can I create my own themes not only for myself, but to be able to sell as templates? Think WooThemes, et al. I'm currently developing my own themes in Photoshop and I was just going to tweak the TwentyTen theme (or similar GPL theme), add my own graphics, CSS styles, etc. but if TF can work like I think it can, it's even more powerful than Artisteer (which I own but don't care for much).

5) Does all the output code validate (xhtml/css) and I assume all is fully compatible with WP 3.0.*?

6) Is the beta test license still available for $80?

7) Are there ANY license restrictions I should know about if I want to create themes to sell? Is there a footer link for example or any problems with creating themes to sell?

I think that's about it for now. I'm sure more Q's will pop up later lol

From what I've seen, it's pretty awesome for developers. I think "newbies" not familiar with CSS etc. would struggle a little but so far it's right up my alley and I look forward to future updates.

I hope someone can answer my Q's asap!

Cheers all

Scott
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Old Feb 7, 2011, 07:51 AM
Panda
 
12 posts · Dec 2010
I was looking at Artisteer, and it is a program that installs on your computer. At first thought I thought that ThemeFrame was a theme that installed on WordPress and you used it to make your own themes within WP. I'm just wondering is ThemeFrame a program or a theme? The reason I question is Atahualpa has an export function that a theme could be created and used on other WP sites.

If it is a program with it being beta, how stable is it to install on a computer? I know this might not be a very good comparison, but the reason I ask, is I remember when Microsoft came out with a FREE beta version of Word a few years back and it messed up my computer. I had to uninstall, which didn't fix what it messed up. I had to reinstall other software.

Last edited by Panda; Feb 7, 2011 at 07:55 AM.
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Old Feb 7, 2011, 09:59 AM
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lmilesw
 
9,964 posts · Jul 2009
Central New York State USA
Themeframe is a theme creation tool, NOT a theme. The current "installation" requires you to install WAMP, MAMP, XAMP, or EasyPHP on your PC. I have never heard of the installation "messing up" a PC.

You CANNOT export from Atahualpa and import into Themeframe. Themeframe themes can be exported as zips to intall on a WordPress site and you can export the settings so you can import at a later time to edit.
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